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SEPTEMBER 2007 NEWSLETTER

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Events This Month
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Certified Horsemanship Association International Conference
September 20-23, 2007
Grand Cypress Resort Equestrian Center
Orlando, Florida
 
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Central Wisconsin Horse Expo
September 22-23, 2007
Marshfield Fairgrounds Park
Marshfield, Wisconsin
 
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Horse Problems Solutions in General - If you haven't discovered already on my web site, check out my Question And Answer/Horse Problems/Training Tips section for solutions to common horse issues. The problems are listed in alphabetical order by problem, and I add to the list regularly. You can check them out here: Horse Training Tips and Solving Common Horse Problems - Q&A - If you have a horse problem that you do not see listed up there, feel free to email me and I will get back to you as soon as I can.
 
 
Training Success Letters of the Month - Read latest success stories with our Natural Horsemanship Training Program - Click here: Letters of the Month
 
 
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Greetings From
Sylvia Scott Whispering Way
 Natural Horsemanship Training
 
Dear Friends:
 
We are excited to announce the release of the latest addition to our Whispering Way™ Foundation Training Series DVDs, called the Complete Guide to Horse Breeding, Foaling and Foal Training. The 3-DVD set includes a total of over four hours of video instruction featuring our good friend, Natural Horsemanship trainer and horse breeding expert, Bob Claymier. According to Bob:
"As a professional horse breeder and Natural Horsemanship trainer, I have received many requests over the years from horse owners needing information about the correct way to approach the whole breeding, early foal handling and foal training process. The steps to a successful breeding and foal training program sometimes seem complex and somewhat mysterious to people, since there has been very little information out there that demonstrates in a straightforward and easy-to-follow way exactly how responsible breeding should be done. To help fill this information gap, I collected actual video footage here at my own horse breeding facility for well over a year and a half, detailing every step of this process, and the result is this unique new DVD set. By following along with this DVD journey into the exciting world of horse breeding, prospective horse breeders and new foal owners can finally take the mystery out of this process and make it safer, more successful and more enjoyable for both the horses and their owners."
We're very proud to be adding this terrific new DVD set to our Whispering Way Foundation Training Series videos!
 
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Complete Guide to Horse Breeding, Foaling and Foal Training
Featuring Bob Claymier

 
Breeding Foaling DVDs PackageIncludes three DVDs with a total of over four hours of video instruction and live demonstration covering every aspect of a successful horse breeding program.
 
Over one and a half years in the making, the Complete Guide to Horse Breeding, Foaling and Foal Training is the first video series to show the entire horse breeding and early foal care process. Expert horse breeder, Bob Claymier, guides the viewer through every step in a successful horse breeding program -- from selection of the mare and stallion, to mare care and exams, to actual live cover and artificial insemination breeding procedures, to foal birth and imprinting, and finally on to early foal handling and training. Each step is documented with live video examples and is accompanied by expert commentary from Bob and the highly experienced veterinarians, farriers and others that help make his breeding program so successful.
 
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Breeding & Foaling DVDsThe Complete Guide to Horse Breeding, Foaling and Foal Training is presented over three included DVDs:
  • Volume 1: Mare and Stallion Selection, Collection, Exams and Breeding (1 hr, 21 min)
    • Breeding Foaling Volume 1Mare and Stallion Selection, Ultrasound Procedures, Stallion Collection and Live Cover Breeding, Artificial Insemination and
      Pregnancy Check
  • Volume 2: Late Stage Pregnancy, Foal Birth and Imprinting (1 hr, 22 min)
    • Breeding Foaling Volume 2Late Stage Pregnancy, Foaling Kit,
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  • Volume 3: Foal Care and Early Training (1 hr, 26 min)
    • Breeding Foaling Volume 3Veterinarian Visits After Foal Birth, Farrier's First Visits With Foal, Halter Training the Foal, Weaning the Foal
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Total Running Time (3 DVDs): 4 Hours 9 Minutes

 
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Looking for horse donations for new police mounted unit - I wanted to pass along the following letter I received from a New Jersey police department in the hopes that some of you out there might be able to help:

I'm employed with the City of Asbury Park Police Department in New Jersey. We have recently formed a mounted unit and are looking for 1 to 2 horses for donation or adoption. What we are looking for is a gelding horse, approximately 15.3 to 16 hands, any dark color, between the ages of 9 & 15 years old. Any information you can forward to me by email at: Bel676@aol.com - or contact me by phone at 732-684-2339, will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

-Anthony Butler

Please contact Anthony Butler directly if you feel you have an appropriate horse to offer to their fine program!

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Learn more about joining (or starting) a Mounted Search and Rescue Team - I recently ran across an article about a remarkable man, Tim Miller, of Dickinson, Texas, who founded the Texas EquuSearch Mounted Search and Recovery Team with the purpose to provide Volunteer Horse Mounted Search and Recovery for Lost and Missing persons. To learn more about this wonderful organization, and/or to get involved, visit their web site: CLICK HERE
 
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Hay shortages causing dire needs at horse rescues and welfare organizations - I received the following letter from a group of horse rescue folks who are calling for help from the horse community with the ongoing hay shortage problems (due to drought):
Calling on all horse-lovers! Support your local Equine Rescue Organizations - NOW!
 
As you may know, with this year's drought, there is a severe hay shortage. This will be difficult for anyone who owns horses, but it may impact our Rescue Agencies especially hard. Here's why:
 
1.  The price of hay is soaring/supply is very short (the price of feed will be going up, too). Rescue organizations are always on tight budgets anyway - and if they don't buy hay now, the price will only be higher later. Today we spoke with the owner of one agency. They are having to bring in a load of hay from out-of-state at $8 a bale (I bet they usually pay $2-$3), and are still needing more!
 
2. If they don't have storage space, they might need to rent containers to store what they need to get them through (e.g., a local G'ville company will rent a semi-trailer parked on your property, for storage use, for $100/month)
 
3.  It is possible they might have an influx of horses needing rescuing in the coming months, because...
A.  Soaring hay prices/limited supply
 
B.  Horses at Upstate SC auctions have been going for as little as $90-$150 in recent weeks! Not only that, but there have been several cases in which the Auctioneer asks if anyone will take the horse for free (in one case, a healthy, registered stud-colt) - and no one would take it! (Don't know if it's related, but remember, the TX slaughterhouse has been closed down, and the other one in IL was temporarily closed until recently)
 
C.  ASK YOURSELF - What might people be tempted to do:
- if they realize they will not be able to afford to feed their horse,
- if they can't sell it or even give it away,
- and it can cost a few hundred dollars even to humanely put down and dispose of/bury the animal?
WE PROPOSE that the horse community come together now to spread awareness among the general public of the IMMEDIATE need to support local Equine Welfare agencies. The "fallout" might not be obvious yet, but the time to act is now, when they need to buy and store up hay, to be prepared for what is coming.
 
TELL YOUR FRIENDS - if many people each give just a little bit, it ought to help volumes!

Spread the word!
To find an equine rescue or welfare organization nearest you: CLICK HERE
 
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The Power of Attitude Movie - Someone sent me the link to a wonderful, uplifting video you can watch online, entitled, "The Power of Attitude." Take the time to watch it in a free moment, as it contains inspiring messages we all should live by: CLICK HERE

Horse Problem Questions From You & Their Solutions From Sylvia Scott
 
Question - Orphaned Foal Won't Drink From Bottle:
Hi Sylvia. I am a Pre-vet student at Purdue University. I volunteer once a week at the Large Animal Hospital and recently adopted a 3-week-old mini-horse. She was donated because she had gone through brain surgery for having part of her brain escape from her skull. She has actually recovered quite nicely and has surpassed all expectations of the Purdue Large Animal Hospital vets. The only problem is that she is without a mother and I am feeding her every 2 to 3 hours through a feeding tube. I have recently started "clicker training" her and she is becoming more well-behaved, but will not drink from a bottle by any means. If there are any tips or tricks that you could share, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank You.
                               
B. Z. - West Lafayette, Indiana
 
Sylvia's Answer:  Hi B. I'm going to forward your letter to our resident foal expert, Bob Claymier, who is featured in our Whispering Way™ Foundation Training Series: Complete Guide to Horse Breeding, Foaling and Foal Training DVD set.

Bob Claymier's Reply:

Hi B. You have taken on a really difficult mission and I applaud you for it. Getting a foal to learn to nurse or drink from something that is not natural for them is always a difficult problem to overcome. The nipple itself on the bottle is often a turn-off to the foal, and you must insure it is the correct size, shape and feel as you can get to that of a normal mare udder. Very often the nipple is just too large as mares teats are small themselves.
 
You might try some honey or syrup on your finger first and get the foal to lick or suckle it. If that occurs, you can then do the same thing with the nipple on the bottle. I've even heard of some folks rubbing the foal's urine or manure on the bottle just so it gets the impression it is something natural. Sometimes foals learn to drink from a bucket first rather than nurse from a bottle. That can even be a little easier on the handler as they don't have to hold the bottle all the time.
 
I presume there is no nurse mare that might be substituted for what you are doing, but that could even be problematic for one or both of them to accept each other. I really don't know of any methods other than this to try, so good luck with this.
 
On a related note, you are wise to begin discipline at this very young age, because what normally happens in situations like this is, while the foal may ultimately be saved, it turns into such a discipline case over the long term that it is nearly impossible to make it into a respectful, safe adult horse. You must at all times remain the "alpha mare" of the herd and try to duplicate what that mother (and other herd members) might do when disciplining her own foal. They usually don't take a lot off the babies especially when they become a bit larger and more rambunctious. The clicker training is a very good start, but ensure you reinforce that with body language, voice commands and the like that simply says to the foal that while you have empathy for its situation, it is still a horse, and do not substitute human feelings for the plight that it has. Do not let it crowd, run into you, strike, etc., and everything that occurs must be your idea.
 
Please stay in touch with us if we can be of any other assistance, particularly concerning foal behavior, if you are able to get over this feeding issue. Good luck!
 
-Bob
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Question - Moving horse to new facility, and what to do in training when horse won't go into trot: Sylvia, I can't thank you enough for your fantastic program!!! [Using your Round Pen Leadership DVD and your Whispering Way™ 12-Step Total Training System DVD set] I've taken a completely untrained 5-year-year old Quarab gelding, and in just 2 months I am now able to put a saddle on him and ride!! The most amazing part though is the bond we've formed with your techniques. I read every book and watched every horse show I could before I bought your program. What stood out about you was your emphasis on our bond with our horses and your conviction that we can indeed do this ourselves. My horse and I are forever in your debt!!!
 
I do have a question for you. I'm moving him to a new boarding
facility and want to keep his stress to a minimum. Do you have any suggestions? We've been working on loading into and out of the trailer this week. All seems good with that. I'm just unsure of how he'll react to a new environment and I will also be taking him away from his "girlfriend." This other horse has been with him his whole life. They were born at the same barn, sent to the rescue at the same time, and boarded at the same barn after adoption. I think the separation will be good for both of them, but I don't want to upset him more than necessary. I am planning on moving him in the morning and spending the day with him at the new barn. Do you think I should let him see her before we take him, or just do it and be done? Any insight you can give would be appreciated.
 
I also have a training question. He is doing really well with being
ridden. We are still working on his steering with a bit and reins, but it gets better every day. All of this is always done at a walk. He will not go any faster when he's with me. Not on a lead rope, not in the saddle. I'm not in any hurry to go faster, but I'd like to be prepared and know how to work up to it. Can you give any insight into why he might not want to trot, etc.? He will trot in the round pen at liberty if I really up the pressure with the lead rope, but it is an effort to keep him at it. 
 
Thanks again for a great program, web site and all your help! You are amazing!!! Thanks!
 
R. M. - Lowell, Indiana
 
Sylvia's Answer: Thanks for the feedback, R. Glad you're having success there! Proud of you!
 
Regarding the moving your horse to a new facility: I say, do it and be done. No use lingering with the buddy. But there's also more you can do proactively to help him settle into the new place. Let me direct you to a link on my web site that goes over this subject of moving a horse to a new location:
As for his not wanting to trot/go faster, He might be having problems with riding straight. Believe it or not, most horses aren't born knowing how to ride/run straight. Let me direct you to a link on my web site that goes over that issue and how you can be working on that:
But also, make sure there's not tack fit/pain issues (which you've probably already ruled out, but never hurts to mention):
If/when all that rules out, let me direct you to a link for tips on how to get your horse to go faster:

First...for on the ground:

Leading Problem - Horse gets stuck when asked to trot on lead rope

Then, for in saddle:

Hope this helps and let me know if I can be of any further help to you there.

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Question - Horse is afraid of blanket (rug): Hi Sylvia! I am having a little trouble trusting a new horse that I have. He is 2 years old, a gelding quarter horse and unbroken to date. He has a lovely abiding nature when in a halter and in ground work (sometimes cheeky), but when it comes time for his rug he has a tendency to cow kick. I put his rug on at feed time since that's the most suitable time, and I find I have to be very short and abrupt with him to be able to get it on him, and even then he makes me nervous.
 
I have never dealt with a horse so young before and I am now wondering if this was a good idea and I know he senses my uneasiness which makes it worse. Is there any way I can try and have him a little more obliging, or is this going to be something I need to work on when he is broken in?

I don't like being so aggressive in my manner towards him, but it seems to be the only thing he responds to and even then he may just swing or kick and it's not in my nature to be dominating either, so do you think this could be a problem?

He wasn't like this when I first dealt with him and he used to be the one at the end of the herd (group), but now it's himself and another (Shetland, which is just as bossy) and he's becoming rather big for his boots. So at present I'm a little unsure of what I should do or how to handle this. Can you suggest anything? Kind regards,

C. T. - Victoria- Australia

Sylvia's Answer: Hi C. Thanks for writing. I agree with you that you don't want to get aggressive there, that's never the answer. You just need the right methods put before you.
 
First, rather than jumping to such a big "obstacle" as the rug/blanket (and hitting a wall with that), break this down into smaller, digestible lessons. I would want to start with desensitizing him to plastic, then tarps, then the rug, in that order. This will more properly A-B-C him there learning-wise, rather than jumping "A to N" there. Horses don't learn well in A to N leaps and that's when people tend to get themselves in trouble with horses. Knowing how to gently A-B-C baby step them there actually, in the end, speeds them along the learning curve.
 
To start, I want to direct you to a link on my web site to show you how to first desensitize him to plastic, start with that:

Desensitizing Horse to Plastic

After he's surmounted all that, then desensitize him to tarps, baby step by baby step, and I go over here how to do that here:

Tarp Desensitizing - Horse is afraid of plastic tarps

By the time you surmount that, the rug (blanket) will be no big deal at all.
 
But I think you also need a "bigger plan" in place there, and I wanted to suggest you think about getting my Whispering Way™ 12-Step Total Training System DVD set, because I know it's going to help you multi directions there (including showing you visually how to do all the above, and much, much more, to build your horse's foundation, as well as increase your own confidence in handling him). I can see exactly what you need there, even from here, and after you watch the DVDs and implement my program with your horse, you are going to see a huge turnaround there, and all foundation holes closed up safely. Creating the quiet, cooperative, respectful horse that you envision having. And as you get going in my program you learn in my DVD set, if you ever have any questions as you go along, I'm always only an email away for backup support. Happy to help any way I can!

Additional Note: I like to take opportunities like this to point out that most healthy horses do not need to be blanketed. I go over that issue here:

Blanketing horses, hard keepers and more - Does my horse need blanketing?

And here:

Blanketing Shivering Horse? - Do I need to blanket my shivering/cold horse?

This is something we in the natural horsemanship training world are working hard to educate horse owners about, the unnecessary blanketing of normal, healthy horses.

Regardless, however, all horses should be desensitized to all of the above, even blankets, as part of your overall foundational training program.

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Question - Horse won't graze: Hi. I have a rescued 10-year old gelding draft cross. He is underweight by between 800 and 1000 pounds, according to our trainer. He has feeding issues in that he will not graze. When let out to pasture, he paces up and down the fence line and wants to get back into his stall. Our trainer believes this is because he KNOWS he will get food in the stall and for some reason doesn't realize that he's got food all over when he's out to pasture. He even broke out of the pasture one day when she had put him out and, when she found him, he was just standing in an empty stall with no food or water. He does not get along very well with other horses, so buddying him up is not an option either. I read one of your articles about using Weight Builder to build up their weight, but could that be used as a substitute for grazing? Do you have any suggestions for getting him to graze? If something is not done soon, we're afraid we might have to put him down, but he truly is a wonderful horse and I want to avoid that at all costs. Thank you for your time.
 
V. B. - Internet
 
Sylvia's Answer: Hi V. That is so sad! Got some ideas for you to try, though. But first, no, I don't think adding Weight Builder alone (like I go over here for: hard keeper horses) is going to be enough there, though I'd recommend adding that to his diet for sure anyhow; he needs the roughage of grass/hay and it will be good for him to start learning how to live life as a horse.
 
Start by spending time out there in pasture with him, to help him learn to graze. Have him in halter/lead (preferably a natural horsemanship halter/12-foot lead rope, the ideal training tool in my opinion). Take him out into the pasture in that halter/lead and start doing some relaxing techniques there. Let me direct you to a link on my web site to show you some -- focus the most (and then do) there the: 1) finger in the mouth technique and 2) teach him to drop his head -- you'll learn how here:

Horse Whispering "Tricks of the Trade" - To relax horse, build trust & bond them to us

(Incidentally, do have his teeth checked by a qualified equine vet/dentist in case there are any chewing pain issues there.)
 
I would then next want to spread some of his grain feed (whatever you're feeding him in the stall that he likes) over a grassy area and encourage him to drop his head and eat the feed there that is mixed in the grass. Do whatever you have to do to make that grass/feed mix appealing there, mixing in a little molasses even if you have to! You're showing him how to be a horse, eat grass, but hang with him as he eats this mixture spread over a small grassy area, using the relaxing techniques if you see him tensing up there at any time. Do that for a while, and as he eats, keep him company. End the session after a while there, when you think he's relaxed and eaten okay, then bring him in. Do it again the next subsequent days, just like I've described, but each time extend the time out with him grazing/eating the food mix a little bit longer, day by day, until you no longer have to spread feed over the grass and he's grazing okay.
 
Now...I'm assuming he's trained enough to go out in pasture with you there to facilitate this lesson. If he's hard to manage there, you might think about getting my Whispering Way™ 12-Step Total Training System DVD set, because there you will be shown how to kindly but clearly close up those foundation holes, and much more, and the program will bond this horse to you even deeper, so he better perceives you as his herd leader.
 
Be patient as you reschool him there -- he's obviously forgotten how to be a horse and that's so sad! Time, and love and what I'm showing you above should get him back on track again hopefully.
 
Hope this helps!
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Question - Horse pulls back and doesn't respect space: Hello Sylvia. I have just begun working with a 13-year-old American Mustang who has a few bad habits of pulling back while tied and not backing up for me while being ground trained. While searching your site for pull back remedies, I read your advice about the belly rope. So I was wondering if I could kill two birds with one stone, so to speak, by teaching him how to give to pressure while at the same time jiggling the lead to teach him to back up, like you show. I am enjoying your web site and have already learned so much from your experience and advice. Thank you.
 
K. - Internet
 
Sylvia's Answer: Yes, K, that should work. You might try putting a natural horsemanship halter/12-foot lead rope underneath the web halter with belly rope, so that when you work on the back-up part, you can jiggle the natural horsemanship lead rope, which he'll feel more easily, due to the design of the NH halter (with knots at strategic pressure points on the face). It's harder to teach the back-up cue (which I'm assuming you read about how to teach here: Leading Problems - Horse runs over human/How to teach horse back-up cue on ground) in other kinds of web halters/leads. They learn it quicker in the NH halter/12' lead. So, since he has both problems, I'd do that. The belly rope will help him learn not to pull away, while the NH halter/lead there will help him learn the back-up cue faster. Just hold the leads together and use the one you need in a pinch. Should work!
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Question - Young foal doesn't lead properly - Teaching young foals to lead & respect your space: My 3-month-old foal has learned to halter lead, but he tries to pull and trot off or run me over, so I guess he really isn't trained yet huh? Anyway, how do I teach him to respect my personal space?
 
S. S. - Des Moines, Iowa
 
Sylvia's Answer: Hi S. With a foal this young, you want to have the halter/lead rope on them, PLUS, have a rope looped behind their rump (not too low there!) and use pressure/release to teach them to yield/lead. If you have a long enough lead rope (12 feet), you can use that to run it around the foal's rump. We carry in our web site store natural horsemanship halter with 12 foot lead ropes in all sizes, including foal, weanling, yearling and up.
 
You don't want to be pulling on the neck in one so young, as they can get seriously injured there, since their bones aren't fully developed yet. I want to direct you to a link on my web site that shows how to teach a horse to lead in general, but with foals, you want to alter that exercise with also having a rope around the rump (so you're not pulling on the neck, but you're pressuring with the rump rope, from behind -- remember to give the release of pressure/slack in the rope for each step forward!):
It works better if you have another horse (with another handler) leading beside you there as you teach the foal to lead (preferably the baby's mother, if the baby isn't weaned yet). Make sure that other horse/mom has good leading manners so she sets a good example for the baby! Might mean teaching what you read in the above link to the mom/other horse first, then working the baby beside that horse. Foals are complete sponges at this age; they absorb and model equine behavior around them phenomenally and reflexively, so have a mature, well-leading, good role model horse beside you there in this exercise, and things will proceed much smoother there.
 
One last tip: when you go to unhalter the role-model horse (or mother horse) and the foal, at the end of the lesson, always unhalter the foal first, then the mother/other horse next, in that order. If you unhaltered the mother first and she took off, the baby might panic and you can run the risk of undoing your training and/or the foal potentially getting injured in a struggle. So always proceed unhaltering in that order: baby first, mother last. And don't let the baby just take off after unhaltering as that's a bad habit you don't want developing. Hold the baby there calmly, then release when he's calm, turning away from him, keeping your leadership status intact.
 
Incidentally, all of the above and much, much more is covered in our Whispering Way™ Foundation Training Series Video: Complete Guide to Horse Breeding, Foaling and Foal Training, Featuring Bob Claymier

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Question - Horse mutual-grooming question: Sylvia, I am just curious about something. My 9-year-old dominant gelding "grooms" my 28-year-old gelding a lot. I have a 19-year-old mare that he doesn't groom at all. He is the boss of both. My old gelding grooms him back, but I don't think he really wants to be bothered with it. The 9-year-old bites on the back or withers of the older gelding. Is this just a dominant behavior on his part? And why not the mare? Thank you.
 
B. H. - New Concord, Ohio
 
Sylvia's Answer: Hi B. It's my guess from here (without seeing firsthand) that the dominant, younger gelding grooms the other older gelding, both as a dominant gesture, but probably even moreso because: he himself wants to be groomed! He knows if/when he starts to groom the older gelding, it will trigger the older gelding to start grooming the younger gelding. It's reflex in most horses to "groom back" when they feel another horse starting to groom them. You see how much that is such a reflex instinct in horses when you have a very young horse in training and are first teaching them how we groom them (with brushes, etc.); most really young horses, when first being trained to be groomed by humans, will try to turn and groom the human back with their mouth. It's total reflex. But we, the human, training the younger horse, push the head away gently and consistently to keep reminding them, "No thank you, humans don't need grooming back!" And they do learn. But at first, it's pure instinct to try. And this instinct occurs in a herd nonstop, with each other. It serves to bond themselves to another horse, but it also simply serves to: have someone scratch the itchy spots they can't reach themselves!
 
So...I think your younger gelding might be grooming the older gelding so that he can get the older gelding to reciprocate. It's "hey...if I scratch your back like this, will you do mine?" He's just the one who is starting it.
 
We see this played out with our own horses here at my place a lot -- my husband's younger paint, Doc, is a VERY mouthy horse who likes to put his mouth on everything and our other two geldings have noticed that quite well. So whenever they have an itch that needs scratching, they'll get up next to Doc and start scratching Doc with their teeth in the exact spot on Doc that they want Doc to scratch on them.
 
It's amusing to watch, because they'll manipulate Doc completely there. They're not necessarily showing affection to Doc at those particular times, but it's more about: tricking Doc to scratch on them! They have an itch on their stomach?: they'll start scratching Doc's stomach and quickly Doc is scratching on their stomachs. Itch on their rump?: they start scratching with their mouths on Doc's rump as they stick their own rump in Doc's face. If you watch closely enough there, you will see that horses really do communicate very clearly to one another, even showing each other precisely where they want to be scratched via focusing on that body part themselves in the other.
 
Doc is our herd's "resident scratcher," though the other two older geldings also groom each other mutually at times, but that appears to be a bonding gesture with them. Doc, by the way, is lowest pecking order in our herd, so he's kind of used like a "little brother" who can be manipulated, and our older horses are keenly aware of Doc's propensity to use his mouth a lot, like an appendage. They use that to their advantage.
 
We see Doc used a lot there by the older geldings for this purpose. They'll even go as far as, sometimes, getting Doc going there scratching them and they'll quickly stop grooming Doc back (because they didn't really care about that mutuality part) and Doc will keep going for a bit, because he likes to use his mouth! If he stops, they'll quickly start up briefly on Doc again, just to get him to continue. They don't want to "work" on him there, but they want Doc to work on them! We see that played out time and again in our herd. It's funny to watch.
 
I think that's what your younger gelding is doing there possibly. HE wants to be scratched/groomed, so he starts it up with the other gelding, and if you watch closely, I'll bet he's even showing the older gelding exactly where he wants to be scratched himself via scratching the older gelding where he wants to be reciprocated. Just a guess, because I can't see it firsthand from here. It almost sounds like, because he's grabbing on the withers first like that sometimes, that he's demanding, not asking, to be scratched himself. A dominant gesture of "hey, scratch me!" And the older gelding does, because he was told to, even if he doesn't feel like it at the moment, but he wouldn't do it if he didn't like it somewhat.
 
Why is he not grooming the mare? My guess is: probably because she won't allow it. I'll bet he's tried it with her and she probably doesn't allow it or doesn't reciprocate. Most horses like this mutual grooming, some more than others. But there are some who don't like it that much, and your younger gelding would pick that up fast, I'm sure, if she didn't want him doing it. There's a whole lot of very subtle communication that goes on in a herd 24/7. The more you watch, the more you start to understand their very elaborate language and see that they are very clearly communicating to one another at all times.

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